No, again if you liken us to the animal world, we have a society as in we recognise each other for being what we are, if you like, all of the one ‘species’, but we don’t all fraternise with each other, have family groups and clubs and cultures and cities and the like. We only come together to do the work we’re assigned to do, and we love our work, and exist solely for it. When we are together, say for instance to put on a ‘little people of light carnival’ for an unsuspecting human who might happen upon us in the woods being privy to seeing the elfin folk, then we pretend, based on your culture and society in relation to the assignment of what that human is to ‘see’ and experience. From time to time it’s necessary and important for you humans to be made aware of our presence.
As for a hierarchy, yes it exists, but not how you have yours. It’s not a servant master mentality, it’s simply based on what work we’ve done, on experience, as new nature spirits are continuously (periodically) being brought into being. Our experience, as with all of the angelic orders - we being somewhat diminutive ‘angels’, but not pure angels like cherubim; we’re a distinct order of angelic-like beings wholly native to Earth - is seen by our light. I have the pleasure of being one of the ‘old hands’, as I told you, I’ve been around for a long time and done many things - they probably gave Austin and I this job with you because it was the only thing left that we haven’t done! But we oldies don’t, nor can’t, order the youngies around, it doesn’t work like that. No one is ever in control of another, no one is ever subordinate, we’re all equal in our work, all loving to be of help in any way we can. We are however all answerable to our angelic elders, who are like in some ways our supervisors, but mostly we don’t need to involve them in our affairs. They oversee things but rarely need to act out of the ordinary with us. We don’t mess about, nor muck things up, we’re perfect in all that we do. Those who did rebel, did mess around and mucked things up, and the true angels were always having to try and stop them and stop the fallen angels from encouraging them, but as I said, those days are thankfully behind us now.
Your room Verna, where is it?
Yeah Verna, no worries, SIMPLE! So there could be seven of you sitting on The Urantia Book, not disturbing the dust or each other, each in a different plane based around or on Earth. So each plane would still be in or based on our house and The Urantia Book would still be on the table. So it’s not like on the first plane for example is The Urantia Book, but then on the second is something else, and something else again on the third. It’s all centred around our physical world.
Yes that’s right. See, all very simple and quite straightforward, don’t you think? And so why do we need seven planes, you ask me.
Different things - work - is done in each plane. I have to be in the seventh, the highest plane as you would call it (which by the way, we call the first plane. We work from the first the highest to the seventh the lowest, whereas you tend to go the other way, with the first the lowest working your way up to the seventh the highest), to communicate like this with you. We can’t do it in the lower planes, they are for other things.
I’ll number them as you would. The first plane (the lowest) is all concerned with keeping the light of our world shinning on your world, initiating the ‘light-sparks’ you might recall we told you about in your novel with Thomas. It’s in this plane closest to Earth that we sustain all life forms on Earth, as that is one of our primary roles. Without us, no life on Earth would keep going, it would all perish into the dust it’s composed of. So as you can see, we are a rather vital commodity in the Great Scheme of Things.
The second plane is also concerned with the goings on of the first, but on a more what you’d call, managerial level. We organise how to carry out the keeping of Earth’s life forms going, in it.
The third plane is what is generally called the ‘new life’ plane, in that it’s where new life forms for Earth are evolved. We ‘form’ them as it where, based on the Life Carriers designs, and work out how to bring them into being on Earth.
The fourth plane is for bringing them into being.
The fifth plane is for overseeing the lower planes.
The sixth plane is for doing other things concerned with Earth such as taking into account humanity’s influence on the natural world, and keeping abreast of all your scientific progress involving nature.
The seventh plane is for direct involvement with Earth, such as if we need to intervene to prevent you doing something to nature or with nature that you shouldn’t, something that would jeopardise humanity’s progress; and if we need to directly communicate with you, so as we’re doing now.
That about briefly sums it up. And then within these planes are many sectors, sub-sectors and sub-sub-sectors and so on by seven times. They are all the compartments, so to speak, that make up the whole. And we have access to the whole lot any time, there is no such thing as more evolved nature spirits having access to and working in the higher planes the lesser evolved the lower, we’re all in it together, with our work being the only thing that separates or brings us together. But as I said, as I’ve spent many years, many years ago, in the first plane, I have no need to work in that plane anymore as it would not enhance my light, I’ve experienced all I can in that plane. And it’s the same for all the other planes, so I only do work in the seventh - the first according to us - plane now. And once that work is all done, then I’ll be promoted to the lowest of the angelic orders so I can progress in light even further still. We nature spirits really are working from the bottom up!
So your work is two-fold: all concerned with nature - all that’s natural on Earth; and all that’s unnatural - us.
Yes, you’re really aliens, visitors, transitory, and all of Earth is being provided for you, not for anything else. It’s not there for us or even the creatures, it’s all there for you. We’re created for you, that being, to help ascending and descending daughters and sons of God - all you spirits. We are all here to help you spirits of truth: it’s what all mind Creation exists for. And we love helping you, it’s what we’re created and so designed to do. And if you would only allow us more into your lives, then we, as would you also, feel so happy and so much more fulfilled. If there were not an ascension scheme, then I dare say none of us would exist; but as it does exist, then that’s what we’re all concerned about and exist for.
So you feel happy - you do have feelings? - when you are working to help us truth-spirits (us humans as we’re called whilst we’re of flesh), in some way?
Yes, and yes we do have feelings, but we don’t feel them the same way you do. We have exhilaration's of light that make us feel perfect and true and so the happiest we can be. The light pings off in our mind circuits, we’re all mind circuits, and this makes us the equivalent of your feeling happy.
Do you feel bad, or unhappy?
No, not like you do. Those who rebelled felt a separation within their mind circuits, deluding themselves that their own actions were making them feel good, but really they were feeling bad, which such rebellious nature spirits are still coming to terms with. Not unlike you humans, James, in that way.
When did those who rebelled, stop rebelling?
With the coming of Mary (Magdalene) and Jesus. They have been paying for their transgression all through this, Mary’s and Jesus’ age, and as this is a relatively short time, are still coming to terms with their fall from grace.
Are they in disgrace?
No, and they don’t carry any stigma attached to such actions. It was simply a way of being they chose. We don’t hold anything against them, they did what they thought was right at the time, as we all do. It was just the way of things, it made things a lot more exciting at times, we were all on a knife-edge, and if it hadn’t been for the likes of Van and his associates who were able to stand firm against the Evil Ones, we’d have all followed suit into rebellion. But some of us chose to be like him and his soulmate and partner - yes, there was a ‘Mrs Van’. And it wasn’t that we just chose to rebel or not, it was far more complicated than that. You see when you exist to serve humanity, should humanity chose to deny what is right, to rebel and go into default, what do you do, turn your back on humanity, say we don’t want to help you, we don’t want to associate with you, you’re bad, and we don’t like you anymore. And then sit around wondering what to do with yourselves for aeons whilst humanity continues on in its darkness.
So you see, many of our kind deliberately went with you into your darkness, which really could be looked upon as a very noble thing to do. You still needed our help, and a lot more of it in a practical hands on way, as most of the people were still very primitive; and you also needed our help to help you progress in your negative states, so we had to be negative to help you do that. So those of us who did follow you helped you enormously in your negative, evil lives, but still did rebel to do so, and so do still need to pay a penalty. The laws still have to be adhered to. And it’s a bit the same for you, you don’t exactly have a say in it, you start out conceived into evil not knowing you are, but even though you haven’t as such chosen to deny yourselves, nature and God, still you have pay for evilness. And by pay means, honour the laws, so if you transgress the truth, you have to do something to come back to it. That which you do as you heal yourself of your wrongness.
Why didn’t you rebel Verna?
Austin and I were in a very favourable position in that we were associated with helping some of Van and his partners associates. So we had no choice you might say, other than to stay true, provided they did, which they did.
How do you see us - humanity? Do you see us as a blight on your Earth?
No, and it’s not ‘our’ Earth. We’re simply part of Earth, just like all nature is. How we see humanity is how it is, something that is currently evil and suffering terribly in its evilness - we see the truth. How we relate to you, is mostly from afar, which means we keep our distance because there’s not much we can do personally to help you, that being help you further your negative states. In that regard, you could say you’ve outgrown our help. All we do now is help maintain all you leave for us to look after, all that you don’t destroy, and our work is becoming less. But at the same time, we understand the greater plan, the bigger picture: why you are as you are, why the rebellion came here, and what’s transpiring to end it and it’s consequences, and we’re playing our little bit in that.
How we see humanity is that you are sons and daughters of God who don’t understand you are not living true. And we don’t pity you or feel sad for you or even hate you, nor do we envy you, or want to humiliate and ridicule your inferiority. We don’t anything, it’s just business as usual for us, notwithstanding that most of that business is rather peculiar owing to the effects of the Rebellion.