Verna, I’d like to go over a lot of what you’ve already told me about yourself and your kind, and I know I’ve said that before, but I want to see how I feel about it all now and in this new light. So please feel free to tell me the same stuff, or if it’s now different, because back then you had to comply with my negative minds restrictions, so don’t worry about what you’ve already told me. Do you like me telling you what to do, organising every thing for you?
I love it James, keep going. I’ll sit here yawning away until you do get on with it.
All right, but I’m trying to sort things out in my mind, make adjustments - you know?
Sure do. Your mind is so screwed up, it needs a lot of adjusting!
It’s all right if I say it about myself, but not if you say it about me. Okay, so how about you tell me about yourself.
Well, what would you like to know?
What do you look like, for starters.
Now in my, let’s us say, native state, I’m a swirl of light, recognisable by other angels and beings of mind creation, but unrecognisable to you spirits of truth who need form other than just light. So all of my kind, and all of my angelic relations, put on forms for you to recognise us by. You don’t have any choice in your form, although in spirit you can play around with your looks a little and what you wear, how you present yourself a little to the universe, but mostly you just allow your soul to manifest your spirit form as its currently manifesting your physical form, whereas we angels being all light, have a choice - and lots of it! As I said, our true form is a creation of light, which means a collection or gathering together of many lights, beautiful and artistically designed, wonders to behold, and you will be able to get something of a glimpse and soul perception impression of our natures as you grow in truth, we being something very different to you.
And like you, as in you having a soul-mate, in some ways we nature spirits work in pairs, a positive and negative, but not negative in the bad, more like in the sense of current, in physics, a positive and negative representation of the frequencies of light that we are; but we angels - I’ll call myself an angel for the time being, just for the sake of argument - don’t have soul-mates like you, that’s purely a spirit thing, as we don’t have the same type of soul that you do. We don’t ever perish, we do move on, in that we ascend the circles of light, which are the relevant circles of mind for our order; but we don’t grow in truth like you do. We don’t have the same mind set up as you do, we don’t have a thinking and feeling mind, we are just mind, and all that is mind.
So were I to be in Creation as my usual expression of myself for you, you’d recognise me as a female of the realm, and indeed as a Lady.
What about your other half?
My so-called other half is here with me now, however he doesn’t figure in the proceedings for the time being, it’s you and me bud. You need the feminine side of our order first, so you’ve got me, but he’ll play his part, don’t you worry about that.
Can I meet him, speak to him?
Certainly, I’ll put you over to him.
Hello James, my name is Austin, that’s about as close an approximation in your tongue you’ll come to it. I’m here with Verna, have been all along, but as she says, it’s not my time to be with you yet in this capacity - don’t know if it ever will. Anyway, it doesn’t matter, Verna’s a treat, and she’s all you need. So I’ll give you back to her.
Austin and Verna eh?
Yes, that’s right.
Okay, so I can understand the part about you being of light, sort of, so as ‘Verna’, what do you look like, how tall are you?
I am rather diminutive. I’m about four foot, you’re a giant compared to me, so it’s best you stay on Earth and I’ll stay unseen in our spirit realm, then we can image that I’m bigger. I can make myself bigger, I can be as big or bigger than Godzilla, or as small as a microbe, whatever you like, whatever I like! But most of us nature spirits would be between one and four feet tall - you can work out the metric.
Say, around a metre on average?
Sure, whatever, I’m a kind of easy going girl.
And what about baby nature spirits and teenagers and young adults and old aged ones, I suppose that’s just how you choose to show yourselves, or how we want you to be.
Yes, that’s right. We’re ageless in a way, but we do have a ‘starting point’ a ‘light-point’ we call it, a moment when we’re suddenly brought into being by higher angels. And mine was at the beginning of Earth’s creation, so I’ve been around a bit, seen a few things in my day, and still feel like a young girl at heart!
So imagine a young lady, or old lady, or mature lady, whatever you like, but a little lady. That’s what I look like. And really there’s no point my showing myself to you because it’s only a from I’m taking on for you anyway, it not being my true form.
Okay, I’ll try and imagine what you look like. And where are you?
I’m here in our realm, the third Earth plane, as I’ve told you. And being in that plane I can look in on Earth, so I am ‘with you’ so to speak. I can sit next to Marion on the opposite couch to you; I can stand in front of you on the table; I can sit in your lap, stand on your head, stand next to you on your couch. I can fly around, even put on little angel wings, and I can change myself into a fire-breathing dragon, then back to being an elegant woman, very chick do you not think; an ugly old toad hopping about, I can even... look like you James, now that’s something!
I can’t image why you’d want to do something like that. So you don’t have to only look feminine?
Oh god no, how boring, I can look like whatever I want. Here watch this, now see what I look like?
Well I do, I think, I’m just trying to let the images come into my mind. I see, you’ve become the table, now The Urantia Book, now the chair, inanimate things; oh, now the bottle-brush outside; oh, a tree spirit, an air spirit, a flower spirit... a nature spirit! Why are you called nature spirits, really you should be called nature angels, or nature lights, or something like that.
Yes I know, but it’s the name you folks gave us, so we’ve got stuck with it. You relate to most things as having spirits of some sort, that’s how your more primitive ancestors did anyway, and as many of them could see and speak to us, so we were the spirits in and of things coming to life.
So really if one were to feel connected to the say the spirit of a tree, is that really the tree’s spirit; does a tree have a spirit, or is that one of you?
All things and creatures of Creation have a ‘light’ to them, which you could call something akin to a spirit. Truly speaking, only spirits of truth, such as what you are, you and humanity and those sorts of spirit beings like Mary and Jesus, the mind and Celestial spirits you speak with, all who have a soul that is truth-evolving, have a spirit; we beings and creations of Mind, have a light. I know it gets rather confusing, and it doesn’t matter anyway. So you could say a tree has a light, it being a creation of Mind, that being the mind of the Divine Minister in our universe of Nebadon, and so you could say that light is something akin to the tree’s spirit. However were you to talk to the tree’s spirit and have it talk back to you, that’s then where we come in. You can’t actually speak directly to and converse with lower creations like animals and plants, but we can mediate, you can through us.
Okay, so if I was to talk to the bottle-brush asking it how it was, and I heard it saying something to me like it’s feeling a little dry, the spring rains being a bit tardy this year, that would really by one of your kind talking to me on behalf of the tree.
Yes, assuming it wasn’t just your mind making such things up for you, or your indwelling spirit playing go-between, or another angel, or spirit doing the same. So you see it’s not as simple as all of that. But what it wouldn’t be is the tree itself conversing with you in your language. And as you can’t speak tree language, as it’s a language of light which only angels can understand, so if you wanted to communicate with the tree it would be best to ask one my kind to be the go-between for you. So you would ask me about the bottle-brush and I would tell you how it’s feeling or what it’s thinking.
I was with the gum tree yesterday, the yearly tree-choppers having once again hacked it up because it had grown too close to the wires, commiserating with it for having lost so many branches and for it having to grow in such a distorted way, and then was surprised when I heard ‘it’ say very clearly in my mind, and something I wasn’t expecting, that it didn’t mind being hacked around, that it was just happy to keep expressing itself however it could. So who was that saying those words in my mind on behalf of the tree?
That was your Indwelling Spirit (Bob as you call it) taking advantage of your relaxed state of mind to give the experience of the ‘tree speaking back to you in reply’, all so you could see that things might not always be as they seem to you. That in fact the tree didn’t feel bad about it as you did.
Yes, well that is in keeping with all I’m going through at present.